Can you think of any other nations that would be feasible for this type of game? You barely played 120 years. With the new development option for your provinces this becomes possible with Common Sense. I'm gong to try it with Korea. Someone put it succinctly in Civ terms; you HAVE to go wide, because if you go tall, the bigger empires will swallow you. I decided to put that to the test and give myself the following house rules. If they're Western or can Westernize easily you get extra points. My biggest qualm with it is that it hasn't even gone through 120 years of the game, let alone progressing the total 377 year of the game. Might be harder in Wealth of Nations, once allies expect to get something out of the wars they fight for you. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about Paradox Interactive games and of the company proper. Thanks! It's fun doing that as Tuscany and limiting expansion to Italy. Which means that now it's actually as viable to have a few large planets as to have many smaller ones (tall vs. wide). I suggest you learn a thing or two about 4x games before you make another thread like this one. Thanks virtue suggestion. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Dutch nationalism could trigger a nice war in Burgundy, effectively losing half of Burgundy. Projecting your sphere of influence across half of Europe is still going 'wide,' the only different is the map isn't painted. I am currently playing a mixture of these two approaches as Georgia - mostly going tall but expanding when the correct scenario presents itself. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Besides, Paradox said they would extend the research penalty to the number of planets *while decreasing the penalty for pops*! a. Wide is when you get as many provinces as you can and don't focus on the quality of the provinces and is definitely the more traditional EU4 option. ... Colonies will revolt if you're tall but not if you're wide. I can't speak to most of your concerns and I will try to address those that I can. Period. I think there's a reason the most celebrated and enjoyed LPs/AARs are the ahistorical crazy ones. Inspired by a conversation on r/paradoxplaza and r/eu4, I started to wonder if EUIV was too restrictive in terms of punishing players for not expanding.
Infrastructure, good trade management, and good idea choices can turn a relatively small empire into a deceptively strong powerhouse. I use both now, since going tall is really effective in your core provinces that are primary/union culture. Press J to jump to the feed. © Valve Corporation. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. There's a whole slew of things that can happen. Wait till your allies start looking to their neighbours and start asking you to go to war with your allies. Could someone explain what that means? Cookies help us deliver our Services. Where as you can just take 4 provinces of 10 development and core them for about 400 admin (less with ideas/claims). And as the world gets colonized, your western neighbours will start getting richer than you, and they'll start looking to conquer the HRE.
Indeed, I've never really seen anyone say Tall was nonviable in EUIV (although it is obviously less viable than Wide), just that it was boring due to lack of features. There is "tall tall" and there is "wide tall". Probably countries outside of the natural interests of tier 1 countries. http://imgur.com/a/vTuQq#0, Seriously? Hey guys, new player here. Props for this. No military annexing. For example African nations South or East of Mali are relatively safe - Kongo, Kilwa. the ai in stellaris is ultra garbage and will do these things. Austria has possibly the best starting conditions for that kinda game as emperor and with a gold producing province. Non colonization events are also going to start triggering. Austria is pretty safe, try to do something similar, without blobbing over, let's say, 20 provinces, as Georgia or Bosnia/Serbia/Wallachia or the Livonian Order or Korea or Aq Qoyunlu or a South Indian country. They're nerfing the crap out of that soon.
So tall, you are building small and strong, wide you are building big, but with weaker provinces.