Revolutionary rebels. 60% 30% 10% 110% Does not have parliament. By the time Russia can westernize they are usually quite massive, which means westernization would take a long time. No it is not If u managed to get western arm trade u r effectively paying the same as western powers for tech. By the time Russia can westernize they are usually quite massive, which means westernization would take a long time. Russia's final national idea gives them -10% technology cost modifier, and with aristocratic ideas their military technology would progress at the same rate as western nations. Around 1600 I have some idea groups filled, military tech on normal (west) level and administrative and diplomative little lower (diplomatic is the worst, like 4 down than average western nation) so I can pretty much "pretend" regular western nation. i was western in 1500. most of my countris around me just collaps i didt get it first, then i realise they tryed to westenice of me. Base: 1 Modifiers: ×0.05: Is overseas ×0.1 : Does not have Enlightenment institution ×0.25: Year is before 1600 ×2.0: Year is after 1700 ×2.0: Year is after 1740 ×2.0: Year … You can pretty much keep up (or even ahead) with most of western countries in tech if you don't get really bad monarchs that (usually) stays alive for 100 years because AI may waste unnecessary monarch points to several random things. The Russians made a slow retreat to even the odds as the French army was shrinking from attrition. With those two factors, the Times of Trouble event could easily trigger and Russia would be helpless to stopping it. The first is from Bensound, and it's called "Epic". © Valve Corporation. i once had military tech 10 and france had 7 and austria had 8 and poland had 6, "O Lordy, may You Yourself come down from the great Heavens and the skies so that we may necro this old post!". it was pretty easy to eat them up and i was leading in tech becouse of theyr ideas. Owns a colony with less than 500 settlers in the Ural, West Siberia, or East Siberia regions. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. So aside from wasting time, the whole thing could easily backfire. I just want to hear about how the great empires of others have broken apart to see what has happened to the others. Also as has been mentioned, other nations will westernize off of you as you reach the far east. i did it once very early on. Russia was her ally and everything looked perfect until 1812, The Russians did not fulfill their obligations when come to the Continental Blockade and they had become wary of French power. Ironman run with Novgorod. I'll start off: Playing as the Muscovites, I formed Russia, massacred the steppes, pushed into a good half of Asia, and was stomping through Scandinavia. Typically not worth the hazzle =) Eastern and Ottoman nations wont need it =). So is it even worth it? Aside from spending 20 years stomping rebels that could be spent expanding the Russian Empire, westernization would greatly destabilize the nation and put a strain (if not creating a complete absence of) monarch points. I agree with what the OP originally stated about his mil tech modifiers but also with what others have said. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America). The only time I would really do it is if I know I am falling behind due to a chain of bad heirs. This video is unavailable. I think if you have an opportunity to do it in early game - you should. Now I'm running campaign as Novgorod and I westernised in 1501 from Sweden (but as someone said - I had a situation of moderate peace and low manforce) and I think it's great.